Former intelligence official affirms US possession of UAPs during House hearing

WASHINGTON

A former Air Force intelligence official said Wednesday that he "absolutely" believes the US government is in possession of UAPs, or unexplained anomalous phenomena.

The remarks by David Grusch came during a hearing on the implications of UFOs on national security held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs.

Grusch said he "absolutely,” believes it, “based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years," when asked by Rep. Robert Garcia, the top Democrat on the committee.

He also said he knows “the exact locations” of the UAPs and "those locations were provided to the inspector general" and added that he "had the people with the first-hand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General."

Asked if any bodies of pilots were recovered from crashed crafts, Grusch replied: "As I’ve stated publicly already ... biologics came with some of these recoveries."

And whether they were human or non-human biologics, he said: "Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to."

Grusch served on the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force. Last month, he claimed that the US discovered "intact and partially intact" alien vehicles.

When asked if he faced reprisals for his claims, Grusch said there were certain colleagues that he said, "were brutally administratively attacked.

"It actually makes me very upset as a leader to see that happen to other co-workers and actually superiors of mine in the last three years," he said.

Rep. Tim Burchett, a Republican representing the state of Tennessee, asked Grusch if he had personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured for concealing extraterrestrial technology.

"I have to be careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities," Grusch responded.

System for reporting

Other witnesses include former Navy pilot Ryan Graves of Americans for Safe Airspace and David Fravor, a former Navy commander.

Graves pointed to a system for reporting UAP sightings during his remarks.

"Right now, we need a system where pilots can report without fear of losing their jobs. There is a fear that the stigma associated with this topic is going to lead to professional repercussions either through management or perhaps through their yearly physical check," he said.

Graves also said commercial pilots who have reached out to him through American for Safe Airspace are doing so, "because they don't feel there's another way for them to report the safety issue."

Fravor said: "I think you need to develop something that allows you a central point to collect the data in order to investigate" these phenomena.

Graves said he witnessed a UAP "completely stationary" in Category 4 hurricane winds in a way "I don't have an explanation for."

"Some of the behaviors that we saw in a working area, we would see objects being at 0.0 mach. That's zero airspeed over certain pieces of the ground. So, what that means, just like a river, if you throw a bobber in, it's going to float downstream. These objects were staying completely stationary in Category 4 hurricane winds. These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 mach, and they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don't, I don't have an explanation," said Graves.